I guess my problem is that the groups I collaborate with contain people who aren't really able (or sometimes willing) to use sophisticated groupware, especially not if the use case requires them to use it in one particular way. My collaborative documents are therefore either restricted to small subsets of the group, in which case Google Docs works fine, or need to be easily findable by and open for read access only to people who don't have accounts in the groupware system, in which case really what I want is either Drupal or Mediawiki.
Wave is still in the very early days. If it succeeds, it will largely or entirely replace e-mail, being as available as e-mail is, with many different UIs on many different platforms. So, right, for now it only works in much more narrow circumstances.
we've had a wiki at work for a while, and then the business pushed a sharepoint server. so i'm working with both. mediawiki wins for searchability of text content. sharepoint makes it trivial to handle specific documents and has version control built in, and i believe you can search within documents. you can have some measure of granularity on who can have read or readwrite access to docs, there.
I would think it could be very useful to you for things like SOS or rally-organizing. I haven't really begun to use it, but it seems plausible for T@F stuff.
Yeah, I had some frustrating days, before I suddenly came on the corner of my friends that had lots of invites. I can send you (and others) one, if you actually want (sandro@hawke.org).
I haven't found a use for it. I put a test case to it "Okay, what if I were in th emiddle of an outage, and we had 4-5 techs / managers working on something. Could this be a collaborative tool?"
I saw nothing in it that was better than a multiuser chat and a pastebin.
some ongoing commentary and discussion here (http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/catching-the-wave-prologue/), by someone who has spent quite a while thinking about this subject area.
From what I've read, the use case is companies in which long email threads are used to send documents around for editing and updating. Folks get added in the middle of some threads, other threads go on without the newcomers and they don't always see all the re-re-re-re-emailed documents.
With Google Wave, someone added to the Wave can see the entire thread and any documents involved, as well as edit and interact with them.
I can see how it would help that (and related) cases but if that's not how your company or groups work, I don't think it will be helpful now.
Yeah, I most envision it for things like conferences for SOS or maybe Arisia? Something where everyone can share the documents and comment in live time, efficiently, and in the same space.
User-created read-only waves are in the works. I could (now) write a robot for you that, when invited to a wave, would undo any changes anyone made. :-)
The UI is clunky for it, but I can do multiple waves at once, using multiple windows. I should be able to middle-click on a wave to open it in another window/tab, but that doesn't work. Still, I can go to wave.google.com in multiple windows.
If wave catches on, I expect there will be local UIs, and better UIs.
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I saw nothing in it that was better than a multiuser chat and a pastebin.
SoI guess I'm missing it too. :)
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some ongoing commentary and discussion here (http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/catching-the-wave-prologue/), by someone who has spent quite a while thinking about this subject area.
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With Google Wave, someone added to the Wave can see the entire thread and any documents involved, as well as edit and interact with them.
I can see how it would help that (and related) cases but if that's not how your company or groups work, I don't think it will be helpful now.
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Dunno. Just a thought.
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And as far as I can tell, you can't have more than one Wave open at a time, and I think it would be useful to have more than one open at once.
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The UI is clunky for it, but I can do multiple waves at once, using multiple windows. I should be able to middle-click on a wave to open it in another window/tab, but that doesn't work. Still, I can go to wave.google.com in multiple windows.
If wave catches on, I expect there will be local UIs, and better UIs.
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